3/28/2006

IIM, IIT Losing Value ?

This Morning's rather unplesant news about the IIT's and IIM's planning to increase the reservation quota from 22.5% to 49% sent shivers down my spines.Why is the goverment looking to spoil the next set of entrepreneeurs by giving seats on a platter to people who hardly deserve a seat,whilst thousands of intelligent wannabe managers slug it out in the battle wheer eevn a .01%ile is going to make a guge difference.This reservation cap being 49% in Central goverment jobs is likely to seep into the educational institutes also.

This decesion may affect the branding of the IIM's hugely ...as top notch corporates would never want to recruit dumb asses who just made it because their district collector gave them a certificate that thet belong to a section of society that's the so called Minority.

These Minority based reservations seem ok in a goverment job,where not much of intelligence is used or in places where basic job and shelter is provided,not certainly in high profile business schools like the IIM's and the IIT's. So dont be shocked if some one by the name J.P.Murugan who gets a 75%ile in CAT ..goes on to ace that summer's job in J.P.MOrgan while a rather intelligent guy with a 98plus percentile has to take solace in a second rung B school.

The aim of these Reservations,when first introduced was to make sure that the bridge between the lower minority classes and the so called Upper caste does not become too high.Jobs and Reservations were given left right and centre and were even increased to 69% in Tamil Nadu when Jayalalitha's AIADMK was ruling in the early 90's.Now that sufficient amount of people have been helped and brought from the poverty level to a certain dignified level, the backward castes now solely bank on such ludicrous policies to bail them out of their problems.This has created an India where people's ambitions and dreams are linked to where they are born and under which caset they are born.

The Ministers in the government are too scared to bring any sort of amendment to this law as the so called minority castes are the major sources of the vote bank for them ...and in greed of power,the ministers in the name of social service are only screwing the Indian education system further by introducing such laws which are totally against the educated Vox Populi of India. I guess we can use this medium of the media to voice our protests against the goverment and letting the ministers know that they cannot take the people of India for a ride with skewed election policies which adversely affect the output of India's most revered institutions.

21 comments:

Nirenjan said...

Don't underestimate anybody's intelligence. There are people among the backward communities who are quite smart, and probably more so than some in the forward castes.

On the other hand, I do agree with you about the reservation factor. IIT's and IIM's, or for that matter, all educational institutions should maintain a merit based admission process with a certain cutoff below which the candidate is not considered, regardless of whether he's from the minority class or he's an MP's son.

If somebody is truly deserving, then by all means, grant him admission. I think that the existing quotas are quite sufficient and need no amendment. The government is unneccessarily playing with it's future - the young aspirants.

My thoughts, for now...

Anonymous said...

i dont know in how many ways this bull shit called reservation is going play havoc in so many students' lives.

Dinesh said...

I think reservation is ok until the under graduate level. One assumes then that after 3 or 4 years of education, everyone irrespective of their schooling background now has an equal chance. Reservation for PG just does not make sense at all. You cant just go on spoon feeding people.

Ganga said...

hey nirenjan - if u r so confident abt the smartness of backward community, then y in the world should all these quota systems exist?? I don't see any kind of underestimation of intelligence in karthik's article...

see the question is simple...Taking two candidates into consideration,one with 99% & the other with 75%(i think even 60% is ok!!)who deserves a seat (Be it IIM or some local arts college)..The intelligence & efforts behind 99% will ever match the intelligence & efforts behind 75% ??? NEVER...

We only look at the candidate with a lesser score getting an opportunity but why don't we even think abt the other one who has strived hard to make that 99%? is all his efforts gotta go in vain ?

Is this called bridging the gap between communities ?? BULL SHIT..

If the Govt is so damn bothered abt the so called backward communities, why can't they start separate colleges meant only for the upliftment of such Backward classes..Who r they to deny a seat from a deserving candidate ??

I may sound little aggressive but pls understand that thousands of young buds are getting crushed
at a very tender stage where they can't take such failures that too when they don't deserve it...

It's not just the candidate who loses here but It's also the country that loses intelligent young minds every year...

In spite of the lucidity of these facts, the GOVT continues to approve such reservations !!!GOD SAVE INDIA

Ram said...

IIM and IITs have been the only gud points in Indian Education system, now the stupid govt. has planned to spoil their reputation merely from some votes from the minorities, there is no wonder that best brains from India are moving to US and other foreign countries.

Anonymous said...

I totally agree that the reservation cap is useless. On the other hand I do feel that the so called "backward class" has much potential and is being wasted. In my opinion instead of reservations, the Govt should provide optimum education to the 'class' people so that they can appear for the entrance exams instead of, as someone said, spoon feeding them. By doing so, they and the people entering from open category would be tested on equal platform.
It just looks that in near future, the open category people are going to need reservations!

Ravi said...

So we are moving back to the middle ages. And I thought that reservations were supposed to be reduced and finally be removed. This clearly shows that the government has no business to be in education too.

If this happens, the esteemed govt run institutions are bound to loose much of their standing among recruiters and students alike. In the long term, these reservations will harm govt run institutes themselves. But prospective students need not worry. Maybe they need to consider good privately run engineering colleges and management institutes more seriously.

Anonymous said...

Reservation was required 50 years ago, when we realized that there existed a economic divide between the castes. In all spheres of life, from education to jobs, reservation was intoduced to ensure that a more level playing ground was set. Do more qualified upper casted loose out on account of this? Yes. Do all lower castes gain out of this? No. Almost all the people who benefit from the quota system are not economically backward.

Reservation till date has not benefitted the lowest rung of the lower castes. The people it has benefitted are the economically better off section within the lower castes. Do you think someone who has completed all his / her education in his / her native language would be able to get a 70 percentile in CAT? Most likely the person who would be benefitting would be a less intelligent person who was unable to make the mark, even though he lacked none of the benefits of a good education.

Reservation should be for economically backward sections of society, and NOT by caste. Only then would be manage to level the playing field, to some extent.

Anonymous said...

Share your concern on this issue. This is something beyond insanity. And it seems the whole indian society is in slumber. No objections, No protests, nothing. There are intelligent ppl in all communities across the world. The point is Congress/UPA/Arjun are designing a system that will only undermine our education system and not benefit anyone. What do you do about this? What influence do we have over the policies of our government? If you want to share some thougts, email me farzone2003@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

Share your concern on this issue. This is something beyond insanity. And it seems the whole indian society is in slumber. No objections, No protests, nothing. There are intelligent ppl in all communities across the world. The point is Congress/UPA/Arjun are designing a system that will only undermine our education system and not benefit anyone. What do you do about this? What influence do we have over the policies of our government? If you want to share some thougts, email me farzone2003@yahoo.com

Unknown Indian said...

I agree with you fully - The most pernicious impact of reservations in IITs and IIMs is the damage it will do to the brand equity of these institutes. If half the grads from IITs / IIMs are mediocrities, why should recruiters waste time going through the truly painful process. If this comes through, as a recruiter, I'd rather focus on ISB. For more on this perspective, please see my blog

Anonymous said...

IIMs are going down the "democratic" rather than the "meritocratic" route, can only help the brand value of ISB. Folks in the government think there is something magic about the three lettered institutions - yes there is, it's all about the best of the the best that make it. Shut them out and you go down the tubes. More hi calibre private institutions are needed - an Indian Ivy league.

Kartik Kannan said...

Thanks every one for your opinions.

@@dinesh - reservation at pg ? i say it shud never be there.

@@ganga - i agree with u

@@-ravi- backward ages..ya man, this is a retrograde step.

@@ anon and others- ya the govt must make more insti's.

Anonymous said...

Hello Everybody,

I am pained beyond words and can't express my anguish at this most reprehensible act being planned. I implore the readers to take time and sign the petition. It may or may not have an impact, but we can give it a try for sure.

http://www.petitiononline.com/obcrev/petition.html

Nikhil said...

I totally agree with dinesh in that reservation is OK till the graduate level. After that stage a person is supposed to be employable. If he/she has the aptitude for higher education let him/her go for it purely on the basis of merit or his earnings.
Rather than providing reservations why cant the the government help the aspirants form backward communities get seats in these institutions by providing them tutions and guidance?
I wonder how long this minority appeasement (for gathering political mileage) will go on. The day may come when 100% seats are 'given away' on the basis of reservations

Reynard said...

As an IITan from Kharagpur who graduateds 43 years ago I am distressed beyond belief to see a hack politician destroying an Institution to (perhaps) get a few votes.
I am no elitist.In my time , IIT was just another good engineering college with fantastic teachers, fantastic ambience, and above-average students(I never knew their caste).Things have changed since,with the quality of students having improved.This change has been brought about by the efforts of tens of thousands of people over the years= a change which one uncaring politician with an eye on the main chance seeks to undermine single-handedly.What are poiticians?Gods?
Regarding affirmative action, it MUST exist.But the deserving, in my view are those who have no access to money and limited access to the outside world.Just as innate merit does not respect caste or creed but straddles it so too the incidence of poverty.Do we not know poor upper-caste and rich backward caste people?Do we not know poor from religions other than Hindu?What is the logic for their exclusion?Insuuficient vote power?
Coming back to affirmative action-by all means selectthe bright children among the poor and give them access to the best education through GENEROUS scholarships. Catch them at the age of eleven, and give them everything for five years-- then let them stand on their own.I am even willing to pay additional taxes for a well-managed scheme on these lines-provided politicians are kept well out of it.For this breed will subvert anything for their own ends.
At the end of the day, we must protest.Against the politicians. For they will snatch away your rights and mine unless we are prpared to stand and fight.

Reynard said...

As an IITan from Kharagpur who graduateds 43 years ago I am distressed beyond belief to see a hack politician destroying an Institution to (perhaps) get a few votes.
I am no elitist.In my time , IIT was just another good engineering college with fantastic teachers, fantastic ambience, and above-average students(I never knew their caste).Things have changed since,with the quality of students having improved.This change has been brought about by the efforts of tens of thousands of people over the years= a change which one uncaring politician with an eye on the main chance seeks to undermine single-handedly.What are poiticians?Gods?
Regarding affirmative action, it MUST exist.But the deserving, in my view are those who have no access to money and limited access to the outside world.Just as innate merit does not respect caste or creed but straddles it so too the incidence of poverty.Do we not know poor upper-caste and rich backward caste people?Do we not know poor from religions other than Hindu?What is the logic for their exclusion?Insuuficient vote power?
Coming back to affirmative action-by all means selectthe bright children among the poor and give them access to the best education through GENEROUS scholarships. Catch them at the age of eleven, and give them everything for five years-- then let them stand on their own.I am even willing to pay additional taxes for a well-managed scheme on these lines-provided politicians are kept well out of it.For this breed will subvert anything for their own ends.
At the end of the day, we must protest.Against the politicians. For they will snatch away your rights and mine unless we are prpared to stand and fight.

Anonymous said...

We oppose reservation b'coz:
- it will increase caste divide
- it takes away opportunities from countless deserving candidates not belonging to so called "lower castes"
- it will result in lower standard of professionals coming out of premier institutes. This will undermine our country's image, which is now known for its intellectual talent.
- above all, it is a regressive policy

Anonymous said...

'ISB' too will not be spared. If you read the constitutional ammendment properly. It could be spared if it can get itself a minority educational institution status.

Anonymous said...

the problem with reservations is that u need 2 put in more effort to get into iims and then u realise that half of the people around u are gud-4-nothing candidates...i mean u have to put in effort to segregate urself from the chutiyas and prove that u r smart even after getting into an institute as good as iima..and u dont have an alternative..fuck vp and arjun..and all the reservation seekers..

Memoryking said...

Hi Karthik,
Hope you remember me.This is my take on the issue
http://emotionalzombie.blogspot.com

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